We have to stop building on our flood plains, warns MP

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Thursday, November 26, 2009
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FLOODING can now hit South Wales "all year round", MP Nia Griffith has warned.

Speaking after a week of heavy rain hit Wales and North West England, the Llanelli MP called on planners to start moving vital infrastructure away from areas likely to flood.

"Many of us have experienced the constant threat of flooding," she told the House of Commons.

"We had flooding in my constituency in July, and we know that flooding is no longer confined to the dreaded November winter onslaught; it can happen all year round."

She warned it would be necessary to stop building homes on flood plains, while vital structures such as electricity substations should be moved.

"We have to think of the worst. We cannot have our grandchildren, or great-grandchildren, looking back and saying, 'Why on earth did they build here? What possessed them to do so?'," she said.

"When I look at addresses in my constituency, I see Welsh words that mean willows and marsh. The minute I see such words, I think to myself 'How absolutely lunatic we were to put buildings in those places'. We really have to stop."

Speaking during a debate on the environment and climate change, Ms Griffith backed the long-awaited Flood and Water Management Bill included in last week's Queen's Speech.

If introduced it will give councils legal responsibility for dealing with surface water flooding, and is aimed at ending the confusion between agencies over who should take charge.

It will also force water companies to take control of all remaining private sewers, an issue which Ms Griffith said had proved "terrible" for residents in Cleviston Park, Derlyn Park and Dolau Fan Road.

She said confused and poor quality pipe networks had "left people such as my constituents with bills of around £2,500 for one simple break to be repaired".

Ms Griffith told MPs that Llanelli had a "tricky combination" of short, steep hills next to a coastal plain.

"That is classic flood country," she said.

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    by Adrain, upper-limits

    Sunday, November 29 2009, 7:29PM

    “Its all very well saying that 'flood plains' should not be built on but the fact of the matter is that Britain is facing an unprecedented shortage of housing. Why not allocate a larger amount of the annual budget to keeping exsisting drainage and culverts clear? And lets not blow the situation up out of proportion. the flooding experienced in this area cannot in any measure be compared to the experiences of the residents of cumbria. Localised flooding caused by extraordinary rainfall is caused in almost every case by the inability of drains to carry the water away quickly enough, whether by design or by inadequate maintenance. Oh and I know of a row of houses that are not built on a flood plain and not causing any flooding to the surrounding area but have been shuttered up for ages. Have a drive up out of furnace towards five roads and see what I mean. Whilst people need housing builders will continue to build houses Supply and demand as it is and ever shall be despite the best efforts of our esteemed MP.”

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    by ERIC, Llanelli

    Friday, November 27 2009, 6:48PM

    “Lots of you will remember when the Trostre area was all mash land. now they have built on it where does the water go...? and there are other areas as well. low land area's in Town get flooded as well,”

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    by david, llanelli

    Friday, November 27 2009, 12:58PM

    “on the 9th of november last year my family along with the rest of the street experianced flooding it is no joke we we forced out of our home for several months and just before we moved in we experianced more flooding in the summer we were lucky the 2nd time it was kept in the garden some homes werent so lucky.
    i feel the local council along with welsh water are at fault as i have clear photos of where the water came from and it was from a manhole in the local park ,along with this there are plans that are going ahead to build on green belt areas taking away natural soakaways also there are no regular maintinance to the drains you have to phone several times before action is taken sometimes too late as in last november as the water came in the front and rear of our house.
    the geedy overpaid council bosses need to keep theire hands out of the public purse and stop awarding himself or herself what they feel fitting this is having a dramatic affect on local services ,what will it take before councils get their act together and stop thinking of money but peoples lives keep your greedy hands of the public purse and help people.
    as tax payers we should stand and demand better services for our money as we are paying top dollar so provide a service fitting”

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    by Noah, The Ark

    Friday, November 27 2009, 12:12PM

    “Much of the floods in recent years have been caused by land drainage schemes carried out in the hills by forestree and farming interests, generous EU grants were available for much of this so called land "improvement".

    These upland bogs used to absorb rain like a giant sponge and then release the water contained gradually into streams and rivers.
    Now what happens is rainwater is encouraged to run off as it falls swelling rivers to bursting after periods of sustained heavy rain.
    Building on flood plains is further exasperating the situation as this leads to additional drainage schemes and the extra water has to go somewhere and often ends up causing more severe flood further down the river's catchment.”

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    by Achmeds, Uncle

    Friday, November 27 2009, 11:46AM

    “the best time to sell land is when the tide is out !!”

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    by Teifion, still LLandovery

    Friday, November 27 2009, 7:56AM

    “forgot to ask (sorry:)
    Most of the flooding probs around here are councils not unblocking the drains - will my 20p bag tax pay for this or more gold plated pensions for useless" lodge" members who are paid too much in their public service jobs”

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    by Teifion, LLandovery

    Friday, November 27 2009, 7:52AM

    “Don't worry as soon as the assembly make us pay 20p for Welsh supermarket plastic bags the World will be saved.

    Anyone else interested in the great climate change scandal story in the proper BIG newspapers about Gov. scientists hiding facts relating to world temperatures NOT going up?
    Personally never believed climate change just like I NEVER believed climate COOLING scare in the 1980s”

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    by Mr, Marsh., Bogland Drive.

    Thursday, November 26 2009, 11:01PM

    “Try explaining this situation to the planner's of the City and County of Swansea !”

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    by James Sheridan, Swansea

    Thursday, November 26 2009, 10:43PM

    “The problems in West Cumbria are nothing to do with building on flood plains and the bridge infrastructure in Workington has been in place over the River Derwent in some cases, for over 160 years. The infrastructure that town requires, would still demand safe, key bridges as part of that infrastructure and to be in place to cross into the town from the Northern end of Workington. Remember, several key bridges, including the one which the Policeman fell to his death, were lost including with one, the damaged Calva Bridge, effectively contributing to cutting off the Seaton part of Workington from the main town centre.

    In Wales, the infrastructure, bridges, roads and houses etc, should meet the Social & Economic needs of the area. It is no good resiting a key infrastructure like a bridge, if it is seriously going to undermine the day to day activities of the Public! That said, building houses on land that is known to flood regularly, is madness, so it is the Property Developers who have to be stopped from building on flood plains in the first place. Where people are unable to get insurance for the flood risk from traditional means, then the government should be using its Publicly owned banks to underwrite this Risk and it will then force the government ot take flood defence measures that will reduce the risk of flooding in some areas!”

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    by Paul Jones, Swansea

    Thursday, November 26 2009, 9:05PM

    “Nia don`t be afraid to state the obvious.”

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