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Wednesday, October 03, 2012
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South Wales Evening Post

A BURRY Port woman has been fined for leaving a cardboard box behind when she went to recycle her bottles and cans.

Danielle Horton, of Heol Vaughan, was tracked down by council workers because her address was on the box she left behind.

She had used it to transfer bottles and cans from her home to the recycling centre.

"I feel a bit let down because I was doing my civic duty and I feel I was penalised," said Danielle.

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She told the Post she had put the bottles and cans into their respective receptacles.

"I wasn't sure what to do with the cardboard box because I had never been to that recycling centre before," she said.

"At the end of the last bin by the road there were loads of old cardboard boxes and I left mine.

"Then, two council officers came to my house the next day and asked me whether I had been to the bottle bank.

"So I said I went to recycle cans and bottles and they asked why I left my box there.

"I said I thought that was what everyone did. She said, 'No, you have been chased for littering'.

"So I have a £50 fine for leaving a recycling box of cardboard in a recycling centre.

"They said you have to pay a £50 fine.

"I said, 'I can't afford to pay a fine now'.

"She said, 'You have ten days to pay £50 or it will go up to £75'.

"She said they would be fining other people when they found them.

"I do think it's unfair.

Burry Port councillor John James branded the fine "disgusting".

"I'm looking to have a meeting with councillor Pat Jones and the director on this," he added.

A Carmarthenshire Council spokeswoman said eight people had been fined for leaving materials outside the containers at the recycling banks.

Complaints

"Council environmental enforcement officers issued the fixed penalty notices for £75 as part of a targeted operation following a number of complaints from residents about the mess at the site in the Sea View Terrace car park," she said.

"The council says this is in effect fly-tipping and hopes these fines will act as a warning to others.

"There are clear signs at all of the recycling sites in Carmarthenshire that fly-tippers will be prosecuted."

She added: "Residents are being urged to put their waste into the recycling banks and not leave it on the ground as this only attracts further fly-tipping."

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  • Profile image for maxmin

    by maxmin

    Sunday, October 07 2012, 7:27PM

    “The trouble is Pinnochio we have to wonder why the council pursues a little old lady who leaves a cardboard box at a re-cycling site, a man who scrapes a cigarette off his shoe and yet completely does a Nelson when confronting travellers dumping literally tons of rubbish for all to see.

    A while ago there were three caravans outside the workshops where I have my business, in one week they had left 3 lorry loads of rubbish there - I still have the photographs if anyone wants to see them, yet when I phoned the council they refused to take any action telling my I was lying.

    Now when the council starts after the people who are really messing up our countryside I think we might take the above incident with a little more grace, but when they deliberately go after easy targets all the time you begin to wonder.”

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    by Pinocchio

    Thursday, October 04 2012, 9:21PM

    “All sorts gets dumped around these recycle bins, the Council have to take strong action otherwise people think it is acceptable behaviour and the mess ac***ilates and the place looks untidy. These sites are for recycling only. If the Council provided large 'non recycling bins' then guaranteed they would be abused and people would be using the sites to dump all sorts. General warnings are not effective in my opinion. Fines get the message across that dumping waste is not acceptable behaviour. Don't drop litter, don't dump waste, don't make excuses.”

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    by abertawejack

    Thursday, October 04 2012, 8:35PM

    “Recycling/litter fines, speed cameras fines, council taxes rises, water rates, train fares/fuel,car insurance, Severn bridge tolls....Will the last person leaving Wales please put the lights out....or you'll be fined.”

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    by geoboy01

    Thursday, October 04 2012, 4:47PM

    “rediculous,if coucil workers did a bit more to help people at the recycling centres,councils want to make their workers do more,instead of standing around watching old people struggling with waste out of their cars!!”

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    by CharlieO

    Thursday, October 04 2012, 11:26AM

    “Personally, I would have taken my recycling home again if the bins were full but I can see why people would assume it's ok to leave their rubbish by an overflowing bin when others do. I use the recycling bins there and alongside the numerous bottle banks, clothes bank, etc, there is only one tiny little 'general waste' rubbish bin which is ALWAYS overflowing and surrounded by rubbish bags and boxes. Carmarthenshire County Council claim this is emptied daily, but this is not always the case.

    If this "in effect fly-tipping" is a regular occurrance, howcome only 8 people have been fined? Considering I personally know 2 of them, and the above is a 3rd named person - clearly everyone who Carmarthenshire County Council say should be fined, isn't? Or is it just the motorists who can be traced via car registration numbers that they're chasing? I guess if you walk down there and dump your rubbish or park out of range of the CCTV camera, the chances are you'll get away with it as you'll be untraceable. Hardly seems fair does it.

    Simple solution Carmarthenshire - PROVIDE A BIGGER GENERAL RUBBISH BIN! And in times when we are all struggling financially, why not offer a one-chance warning if the person agrees to take their rubbish back, dispose of it properly and not do it again, before slapping them with expensive fines and naming and shaming them publicly? Doesn't exactly encourage recycling does it!”

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    by maxmin

    Thursday, October 04 2012, 11:10AM

    “If people are bringing their bottles to the bank common sense would say that they are using something to carry them in. Is it beyond the wit of the council to supply a receptacle for these bags and boxes? It would appear so.”

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    by immigrant1

    Thursday, October 04 2012, 10:55AM

    “A gentle reminder would have been the best thing in this case. After all, she did recycle her bottles and cans. Seems like she made a genuine mistake. Shame on the council.”

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    by maxmin

    Thursday, October 04 2012, 10:39AM

    “I have said more than once that re-cycling was brought in simply to raise money from fining people, like a lot of laws enacted over the last ten years.”

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    by lend77

    Thursday, October 04 2012, 9:37AM

    “I am sick to death of the excuses peolpe make, this is nothing more then littering. If someone stands next to a bin and throws their chocolate wrapper on the floor, i think most sensible people would class it as littering, so how does this differ? The recycling sites aren't there for people to dump their rubbish around the skips, it is there for recycling. I have seen alsorts of rubbish dumped around the bin including 100's of glass bottles (a lot of which are smashed), piles of card board boxes, tv's and bags of rotting bins. It is dangerous, unhygenic and provides harborage for pests. Besides all of that, the recycling areas have signs warning people not to leave things around the bin. It's about time people took responsibility for their actions and have a bit of pride in their community, this person was caught fair and square and now she has to face the consequences.”

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    by SWEPuser001

    Wednesday, October 03 2012, 5:21PM

    “Petty bureaucracy again. Is she a pensioner? These people just love to pick on the easy targets.”

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