“You cannot go back to the parental home because your father and mother have divorced and the house where you lived is now owned by someone else.
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Why does this prevent you moving in with one of your parents?”

“Hacker_jack
I presume that is no spare bedroom.
Most divorcees go forth and create more little polluters (aka children) which is something that the young single person mentioned above does not wish to copy.
Mad Cameron's new idea will create more of the problems that he and his idiot supporters constantly moan about.
I re-watched 'The Thick of It' series over the weekend and thought that no satirist could possibly parody the sickos that we have at the moment - Well not one that people could laugh at.”

“Liberal Conspiracy - Five reasons why cutting housing support for young people is a bad move 26 June 2012
http://tinyurl.com/7c6u2cp

From the Daily Mash 26 June 2012
How would you feel if you were BAE Systems and you were told 'Sorry, we can only afford to buy 18 Warrior armoured fighting vehicles this year because we're paying a bunch of 18-year-olds to live apart from their abusive alcoholic parents?'”

“Why should I, a tax payer, be acting as a piggy bank for someone who doesn't do it for themselves?

As an adult you should take that responsibility to earn money and live within your means. Too many people live pay-cheque-to-pay-cheque in this country and then expect the tax payer to bail them out when they get on the rough.”

“PhilEvs
What on earth are you on about?
If people had the opportunity to 'do it for themselves', then, fine.

If you re-read the opening discussion piece, you will note that the person has set out to do it for him/herself but has found that the system is loaded against individual aspirations.”

“PhilEvs
You're not a piggy bank for the person that I highlighted.
You're a piggy bank for the irresponsible, greed-driven, multi-billion pound finance sector.

Thanks for your input anyway - I could have read similar by visiting the low-quality national newspapers.”

“Nye - The problem with complaining about people being greed-driven is that without greed we would still all be tilling out own little farms and you wouldn't have a computer or Internet to be posting this on.”

“As with all hypotheses this scenario is for minimum required. As it does not signify a majority need.”

“hacker_jack
Please supply evidence to back your claim and please supply moral justification for the blatant greed of today.
I agree that finance under a capitalist system has resulted in advances to the benefit of many but, what we see today is just plain greed for the sake of greed.
The greedy of today are not venture capitalists or merchant adventurers.
The greedy of today aren't in the slightest bit interested creating wealth through innovation - All that they want is a bigger slice of the cake.
The greedy of today are purely rich layabouts who have an insatiable desire for more wealth.

To make matters worse our politicians serve the rich layabouts whilst putting barriers in the way of those who do wish to get on.
Our politicians are forever going on about how people should be prepared to be more mobile and go where the work is but, they inadvertently or deliberately make such mobility almost impossible.”

“What evidence do you require? Look around you at the technology we use today, how much of it do you believe was generated, funded and produced by people who's intentions were charitable and benevolent?

Even the minority that were indeed sculpted with the idea of the betterment of mankind in mind (e.g The World Wide Web) were only made possible by the foundations of commercial or military enterprise.

What we see today is no more greed than in previous generations, it just strikes at different areas. Do you think the owners of industrial revolution age mines and refineries were any less greedy? Or the funders of our imperial colonies? Or The Normans, Vikings, Romans and others who came, saw and plundered? No, sorry that has always been the Human way, it is in our genetic make up and whether it is the person in question doing the physical plundering or a hired hand makes no difference.

Of course most people do not resort to this extreme level, rather they simply retain a mild amount of greed, which is drive enough for them to perhaps contribute to advancement without unduly treading on others. Very very few have the capacity for extreme drive plus the attributes of generosity and philanthropy that would be required to develop a world without greed.

Moral justification? I have none and did not claim to have any. There is little moral justification for some of it, which is why we have adapted as a species and developed laws to prevent (or at least attempt to) the worst excesses of that kind of behaviour in due course. But to try and rule out it's place in our technological advancement just because it leaves a bad taste in the mouth is sheer wilful ignorance and folly.

What is needed now is the same as always, legal frameworks that reign in the worst and most immoral practices that protect the weak without going too far into the realm of control that they stifle innovation and advancement.”

“hacker_jack
Many thanks for your intelligent response.
I agree with you that greed has always been with us.
Also, I agree that what is needed is some moral backbone on the part of our politicians to stop the excesses that exist - That was why I opened the discussion.

I have worked with computers since 1968 and although I have always been aware that the industry would not progress without the private companies involved making profits, I have witnessed personally the sheer thrill of some of the best advances made to date. - It isn't all about money.

I just despair about the plight of young people today trying to do what I started to do many decades ago.
I look at the current situation and think that I wouldn't risk it and I wouldn't see any point in taking the initial risk.”

“Typical Tory Response.
The bill for Housing Benefit goes up.
It's not the fault of GREEDY PRIVATE LANDORDS.
It's the fault of tenants and
THE TENANTS MUST BE PUNISHED FOR HAVING GREEDY LANDLORDS.”