“That is what this argument is all about - there was one individual councillor who thought he could lead better than Councillor Phillips and when it didn't work out to his advantage he started up his own party of THREE.

Obviously some individuals have no sense of loyalty neither to their Leader or fellow members.”

“I am rather confused regarding the comments alledged to be from Counc David Phillips regarding some councillors being new to the authority at the time of the walkout. To me if David did make these comments, it leaves his leadership skills in some doubt, Aren't leasders appointed to lead?”

“Swansea Bob's comments regarding Tim Thorogood and Lawrence Bailey are absolutely spot on, they should still be accountable for their parts in this.”

“Having read the comments by Ray Welsby. I am totally amazed that Cllr Holley actually signed the contract with I.T.CAP GEMINI when a group of councillors, sign a letter to say that they were against this I.T. system.because it was not viable.
Surely a serving councillor should report these findings to the Ombudsman-- As this system has and still is costing Swansea a great deal of money over (£ 84 Million ) These finding should not be allowed to be swept under the carpet--- Was there any need therefore to reduced education funding to our schools and cut back on finance to the "Tennis Club".--- plus childrens after school activities etc--etc..
Perhaps Cllr John Hague should explain what went on before and after the signing of this I.T. contract. Surely he is duty bound to explain to the tax-payers of Swansea the signing of this contract which has put Swansea in serious financial difficulty.”

“Has everyone forgotten Tim Thoroughlybad's contribution to this. The concept of the IT contract was his, aided by the then Leader, Lawrence Bailey. As Ray Welsby rightly says, when the coalition took power, T.T. persuaded them that they should continue the negotiations. And it got worse - when some elected members questioned signing the agreement, they were warned that capgemini 'could' seek legal redress for costs, which action 'could' award costs against the members. In reality this was highly unlikely, as proved by a similar contract cancellation by Walsall Council with another contractor.”

“I have read the comments made, and feel the people should know the truth about the IT contract.The labour party were the party that held talks with CapGemini in 2003/04 reference the IT system.In 2004 the lib/dems formed a coalition with independents,conservitives and a peoples councillor. The leader of the council was Cllr, Chris Holley who carried on the talks with CapGemini reference the IT system along with senior officers.When it came to the signing of the contract it came before the independent group for discussion and it was agreed that the independent group could not support the signing of the contract.Cllr,Holley "was" called into the independent group meeting and informed of this and is reply was he was signing the contract.
The independent group agreed that a letter should be handed to Cllr, Holley signed by all members that we were against the signing as we could see that it was not viable and could not deliver the sums of money it was predicting.
The letter was given to Cllr, Hague who was the leader of the independent group who handed the letter to Cllr, Holley. Two members of the independent group who were cabinet members should, have attended the cabinet meeting as Cllr,Hague could not attend these two councillor's were Cllr's Wendy Fitzgerald and Gareth Sullivan, they did not attend.The cabinet meeting took place with 5 cabinet members,and they agreed to the signing of the contract,and Cllr, Holley did not read out the letter that, the independents would not support the signing of the contract and this is a breach of council procedures.But the question that as to be asked "is" why Cllr, Hague did not report Cllr, Holley to the monitoring officer as he was the leader of the independents. Also we must not forget Cllr, Holley admitted to this on a Sunday morning phone in programe on Sunday 14th March 2010.”

“@ Nomatta Watt, Abertawe. You infer I am a supporter of a party?
Would you also like to tell me which party? As you know more than I do. I am a supporter of no party and believe that the democratic party system in this country is beyond repair as is being proved daily with revelations about dirty dealings from all. So please do not make scandalous statements regarding other people's affiliations as you are completely wrong in what you infer.
Paul Jones, Swansea I agree with you in what you say regarding council business. ALL Council business should be in the open and scrutinised by the electorate, however Neath Port Talbot holds most meetings in camera under the cabinet system which was made law only a few years ago and should never have come into being. A democratic system should be open to all.”

“B.Bailey---Thank-Goodness for you comments. I was beginning to think that it was me who was wrong-- Did you know that there are two cabinet councillors in this ruling council who have the cheek to stand as M.P's. Peter May for Swansea West--and Mike(close schools) Day-cabinet member for education who is standing for Gower. I only hope people of Swansea have long memories when casting their votes.”

“grandit adsee, swansea.

The answer to your question is NO. Holley and his bunch of quacking cronies have made the residents of Swansea a laughing stock. Swansea administration is made up a group of individual councillors who are prostituting themselves for money and position. Sickos the lot of them.”

“When there is already massive cuts in services, what is Cllr Holley doing by involving the Ombudsman, in a lenghty investigation ?, which is going to cost our City more wasted finances.
Is there a worse run council anywhere in the U.K that can match Swansea.”