“How come everyone I see to do with cwtch looks like socially fragile mong?”

“Maximin yes you have the right idea its a stupid law but should be taken off ,the laws are old and out of touch We now these young men are trying to do some thing good and people like to see that happen there should be more like them but as you say the laws !!!!!!! the law sorry.”

“Swansea people were hardly up in arms when its previous owner got into trouble with filth.

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A former director of a Swansea hotel has been fined £9,000 after health inspectors discovered kitchens in an appalling state.

Altaf Sultan Nanji, 54, former director of the Dolphin hotel, Whitewalls, admitted a series of breaches of hygiene regulations during a hearing before Swansea magistrates.

The court was told that on a visit health inspectors found shelves, ovens, floors and other work spaces covered in dirt, food remains and grease.

A subsequent inspection found the situation barely improved.

In mitigation it was said that with the sale of the hotel imminent Nanji had not been as "hands on" as he had been previously.

Fining Nanji magistrates chairman Derek Evans said: "How you were not aware of the deplorable condition of the kitchen is unbelievable."

The hotel has now been sold and the new owners have refurbished it.”

“good stuff this squat”

“handyman - They're only going against health and safety if they allow others to sleep in those beds. A landlord or hotel offering a place to sleep needs to have H&S covered, smoke alarms etc. You living in your own home don't have to do this. As long as only they sleep there, they are taking their own safety into their own hands. They are also working with the fire dept to ensure everything is safe with no naked flames etc. They've not connected the gas to limit extra costs and risks down.

maxmin - What you suggest providing you don't cause any damage is not illegal! It happens to people all the time! Anytime we park our cars in a private car park and don't pay the meter because we'll only be two seconds, we're squatting! This is why we secure our property when we go out, on holiday or even to the supermarket. As a civil offence, I can also claim damages from you for the time and money spent evicting you. So I'd suffer grief, and you would actually have to pay. The owner of the hotel will be able to do likewise.

Do I think it's right? Not domestic property no, but there is nothing illegal about it. I'm not the law and nor are you so whether we think it's right or wrong; the law is the law and they are following it.

Also, the squatters here aren't in domestic property, they know their rights and limitations and are sticking completely to the law. That much is fact. We can also assume that if the owner really is struggling financially, he could have sold the building long ago to fund his Birmingham restaurant. If he really cared about it, he would have had some sort of security, or would have at least closed the window!

Dale Farm was a very different situation as the evictees weren't squatting. They owned that land (still do). This was a case of building without proper planning applications, they had to be 'evicted' so that the buildings could be removed as they hadn't voluntarily done so themselves.”

“"The human capacity to care for others isn't something trivial or something to be taken for granted. Rather, it si something we should cherish. Compassion is a marvel of human nature, a precious inner resource, and the foundation of our well-being and the harmony of our societies. If we seek happiness for ourselves, we should practise compassion: and if we seek happiness for tohers, we should also seek compassion" (Dalai Lama).

The methods may be unconventional, but the reasons right x”

“Sipa Jones let me give you an example. I can turn up at your house when you are out shopping and plant a caravan on your front lawn and claim adverse possession. The only recourse you have is to get a court order which will take many months and cost you thousands of pounds. I will have to pay nothing.

Now simple question. Do you think that is right? Because according to the comments you are making you seem to think it is. Oh and by the way the day after I am evicted I can turn up and start all over again.”

“Sipa Jones their actions are unlawful because they have no legal right to be there. In the case of adverse possession a person can claim a property by using what is called squatters rights. However under the law the owner of the property has to be asked if he is willing to give up the right to the property and grant adverse possession. If the owner says no then a court order is made to evict.

If what they were doing was lawful it would be impossible for a court to issue such an order.

The problem is that because it is deemed to be a civil offence and not a criminal one the owner has to bear all the costs involved. Just Google Dale Farm and find out how much this actually costs the taxpayer.”

“caradod says he slept in one of the beds so in fact they are going against the health and safety laws and also insurance fire reg's and local government bye laws etc.etc.
im all for squatters rights and do hope these people get their message over
But do it properly sort out all the insurance electric bills H&S fire reg's etc..and come out with a proper explaination to excatly WHY they have taken over this once great hotel
otherwise the general public will just call them burglars thieves vagabonds a bunch of scruff's etc..”

“vacant places at hotel is convenient!Verify yourself, that you are right on hahaped!i just tried wasn't failed!do it!thnx for comment!”