Travellers want to get on with their lives, Gypsy Council tells site demonstrators in Swansea

“Mr_Reality

I really think you ought to get someone to read this string of posts and explain what is happening as it's all getting a little embarrassing for you now. Or do you just have a pathological need to have the last word regardless of how pointless, off topic and fatuous it is?”

“Described by dictionary definition of 'grouping'. "A planned arrangement of people within a group". Yes! It was indeed (evidence available to malicious barrel scrappers and grammar police!) a planned arrangement to collect left over refuge.

And yes I do know one of that very group and have known him for many years and he is known to many and has been seen offering his services free of charge (Yet again!) charity bucket collecting at a rather famous local venue!”

“Mr_Reality said-
"I described the people from the mentally handicapped grouping to be 'fantastic' and mentioned the word 'proud'! They have my greatest respect. Guess what! I even know one!"

The "mentally handicapped grouping" and "I even know one". What a sad strange man you really are. You want everyone in a little box or "grouping" (which one are you in I wonder?), use archaic and offensive terms (you must know that it is offensive as you have gone to great lengths to tell us all how informed about everything you are), stretch an argument you have so clearly lost into making personal comment in exclamaition mark (!!!!!!!!) ridden rants, and then accuse others of slander where the only one guilty of that in this exchange is you.

You then go on about multiple posts where the individual concerned has (for all to see) attempted to get the posts removed after a gremlin issue. But of course truth and facts matter little to you as you froth at the mouth and hammer away at your poor keyboard.

You clearly see the world as as an "us and them" arrangement hence your passion for your little "groupings". In reality there is only "we". When people start thinking of others as less than them it is a very slippy slope indeed. History both ancient and modern teaches us that.

I would like to sign off with a short prayer. You don't have to be religious to appreciate it. You might struggle with it Mr_Reality as it is from a little grouping, the Jews.

For all who live on earth shall realize
we have not come into being to hate or destroy

We have come into being
to praise, to labour and to love”

“Mr_Reality:
"Lavengro stop your moral lecturing"

Mr R. I was stating my opinion. Feel free to ignore it, but I am free to hold my own opinion. It's called freedom of speech. Shall we add that to your list of dislikes as well?

Mr_Reality:
"Why haven't you answered my questions from my last post???????"

Urm. Since when did posting personal on a public message board come with the responsibility to answer the rambling, incoherent rants of the ill informed? Two questions for you Mr R. Where does this overriding sense of entitlement you have come from? And what are you really angry about?

I don't really need/want an answer Mr R. I think we all know the answer don't we?”

“WillEvs! Stop scrapping the barrel! I described the people from the mentally handicapped grouping to be 'fantastic' and mentioned the word 'proud'! They have my greatest respect. Guess what! I even know one! You cannot win the argument and thus now have to resort to personal slander! Disgusting!”

“Mr_Reality first you are very unplesant about visiting groups of Travellers and correct me if i'm wrong but i actually stopped and talked to the last group that stayed in gorseinon and i believe they were a group of women no men (Tons of Tarmac?). They actually visited the area i was told as the elderly lady had recently become a widow and had stayed here for a long time many years ago so she'd come back with her two daughters and grandchildren the mad thing was she was telling me how wonderfull the local people were and how she had such fond memories of Gorseinon that's why she'd brought her grandchildren to visit for a while. She obveously didn't meet you and i really hope she hasn't seen the current press your not so wonderfull and friendly know. One more thing will you plese not be so derogative when you describe Adults with learning difficulties as the way you did have some respect.”

“Lavengro! Your accusations of people being in your words 'ill informed' has not exactly done you any favours now has it? Why? Because there are many people out there more than ready to humiliate you by being 'well informed'! Oh yes and there is even more information from the very people you label 'Ill Informed' to come out if you want

Don't you find that hilariously ironic?........ Oh please post again! But please,please,please don't try your previous trick of multiple posting (Spam Style!) in a desperate attempt to hide your personal humiliation. My/other peoples post(s) might be a little harder to find amongst your sea of spam but alas they will still be there and will never go away!!!!!!! P.S Why haven't you answered my questions from my last post??????? What have you got to hide after all you do consider yourself to be 'Informed'?”

“Lavengro stop your moral lecturing! Equality? The Melin Mynach travellers were situated just feet away from a designated council black bag pick up point directly adjacent to Penyrheol Swimming Pool! Did the travellers set a similar/equal example just like the previous visiting fairground people whom have picked up their own rubbish after a Melin Mynach visitation? No they did not!

Both the council and Evening Post (Reported it!) is aware that the travellers also dumped tons of left over tarmac and driveway rubble also? Are you aware of that lavengro? If not? Why? It has happened after every visitation of which there has been a few over the years!

Unlike the fairground people whom used their own toilets the travellers chose to defecate copious amounts of their own excreta into the Melin Mynach surroundings! Do you excuse that type of traveller behavior lavengro? Are you toilet trained yourself lavengro? Do you expect your own neighbours to wallow in your own personal excreta lavengro?

Oh and BTW lavengro!!!!!! There has been a volunteer litter pick on Melin Mynach from a mentally handicapped adult group. Those mentally handicapped adults even cleaned up left over refuge from a previous traveller visitation. I am so proud to say the fantastic adults of that special needs grouping decided to act in a totally 'unequal fashion' than that of previous travelling community individuals! Bang on about equality all you like lavengro the 'Real-World' dwellers (Unlike yourself!) know all about it believe me!”

“It is so refreshing to see at least a little balance here in terms of public comment on this issue. So many people quick with their opinions don't even have a grasp of the basics. Such as the fact that Gypsies and Travellers are two distinct ethnic groups. Always have been, and are recognised as such under law.

Basically the attitude from these ill informed, under educated (no excuse really, pick up the occasional book, do some online research that doesn't involve a BNP or EDL website) people is damaging to the image of Swansea. Do we really want Swansea (or any part of Wales for that matter) to show the outside world a prevailing attitude of intolerance, bigotry and racism?

You are either supportive of equality and human rights for all, or for none. You cannot by definition leave out a group or two groups you don't like!

"There is no question that Gypsies and Travellers are probably the single most intensely discriminated against group in the country. I've described it as a case of Gypsies and Travellers in the UK being akin to [what] black folk were in the deep south of the US 40 years ago."
Sir Trevor Phillips (EHRC Chair)

Which is it to be Swansea, what face will you show the world?”

“To John SW4 you don't half talk some rubbish your facts about Gypsy Travellers and school is complete rubbish, this i assume is that you think that all Travellers are catholic and would choose to receive a catholic education? Bit of an assumption your really need to get your fact correct. Why don't you go and speak to some of the families that you spend so much time watching their every move? It's getting close to Stalking and Harassment in your behaviour. If you put as much effort into getting to know the Gypsy Travellers who live in Swansea Vale from time to time you might actually realise that your wrong in your attitudes and for the most they are hard working people who just want to get on with their lives and be left alone to do so without fear of persecution and racial hatred.”