Travellers site facts known
WHILE Cherry Hinton has been very helpful in clarifying the system undertaken to determine appropriate traveller sites across the City and County of Swansea, there are a number of important points she has neglected to raise.
The selection of traveller and gypsy sites has to be undertaken as part of the Local Development Plan process. Under this process suitable "Candidate Sites" are nominated and taken forward to the next stage.
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All local authorities in Wales are following this process, in accordance with guidance set down by the Labour-led Assembly Government.
There are a large number of candidate sites in the Gorseinon area, for all sorts of development, including residential housing.
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The deadline for nominating such sites in the new LDP process was March last year.
With this in mind it's instructive to note that there are no proposed traveller or gypsy sites for the Gorseinon area in the LDP process.
Penyrheol cemetery is proposed as a cemetery, while Parc Melyn Mynach is a proposed residential housing or nature reserve site.
Councillors Cole, Curtice and Lewis are well aware of this.
As town councillors, we were all briefed on the full list of candidate sites for Gorseinon by the clerk of the town council at a special meeting last year.
This meeting is minuted.
With this in mind, it's curious as to why they still decided to go ahead and organise a demonstration — during an election period.
A common accusation levelled at Plaid is that we are supposedly the "Party of Protest".
Not in this case it seems!
Jim Dunckley.
Alexandra Road,
Gorseinon
Comments
by Nye_Zwerk
Monday, July 16 2012, 6:12PM
“SuzGorseinon
From the same article
He [Mr David Lewis] said: "Now we continue to be concerned that this, as well as Parc Melyn Mynach in Gorseinon continues to be on the list of potential sites.
"We have heard statements that there should be no cause for concern.
"However, clearly there is a need for concern and the protest held last Tuesday, which I was part of absolutely needed to go ahead. I realise that travellers need somewhere to go, but I do not consider it feasible that they should be presented with an area which is earmarked for regeneration."
It ain't over yet.”
by SuzGorseinon
Monday, July 16 2012, 5:43PM
“Nye Zwerk - You may not trust what Holley had to say, but our former Labour Mayor and now our county councillor, David Lewis obviously does given the statement he made.”
by Nye_Zwerk
Monday, July 16 2012, 1:30PM
“SuzGorseinon
Yeh. After the secret document was leaked into the public domain, Holley had to do something to save his political neck.
I having worked on issues in my neighbourhood, I have yet to meet someone who has a positive word to describe Cllr. Holley. Personally, I wouldn't trust the former leader further than I could spit a dead rat.”
by SuzGorseinon
Monday, July 16 2012, 1:14PM
“Yes the site will have to go through the LDP process and yes that process is unfinished. However there is a criteria set down by the Welsh Government, a Labour Government, which can be read on-line. That criteria states that the Gypsy/Traveler community should be consulted and the site should be one of mixed use. All five sites are listed on the LDP and only one is nominated as mixed use. That site would make sense as it already has sewerage and water connections.
Councillor Lewis has acknowledged that one of the sites Labour protested at in Gorseinon IS going to be a cemetery despite it being on the list as a potential Gypsy/Traveler site. http://tinyurl.com/bstgkjv
"Gorseinon mayor David Lewis supported campaigners at yesterday's demonstration.
Mr Lewis attended a similar protest last week and said he and the residents of Gorseinon and Penyrheol were happy with a reassurance from Swansea Council leader Chris Holley that there were no plans for travellers to be located on the land next to the former Valeo site, which has been earmarked for use as a cemetery."
So are some of the commentators claiming he too is now taking people as "idiots"?”
by PJL1967
Monday, July 16 2012, 2:28AM
“I remember Jim Dunckley before he was infamous. lol”
by Nye_Zwerk
Sunday, July 15 2012, 8:41PM
“Einon
What you need to bear in mind is this:-
The LDP submissions deadline was March 2011.
The deadline applies to submissions from individuals, groups, companies etc - Let's call them 'The Outsiders'.
The deadline does not apply to Councillors and Planning Dept staff who are part of the decision process - Let's call this group 'The Insiders'
Theoretically, the Insiders can reject all of the submissions from the Outsiders.
Theoretically, the Insiders can come up with a completely different set of proposals tomorrow even though it's over a year since the deadline.
The decision process is only at stage 2.
There are 6 more stages.
Nothing is certain.
Jim Dunckley
Don't assume that we're all idiots.”
by Gwyddno
Sunday, July 15 2012, 6:11PM
“Einon
Thank you for your input.
If you go to the link that is in the GretaGarbo comment, you'll note that Cllr. Holley makes admissions regarding the 5 sites that I listed in my earlier post.
The most important admission, from the then Leader of the Council, is confirmation that the leaked report is genuine.
The final decision has not been made so, I wish that certain political figures would stop stirring, mud slinging* and point scoring.
* Mr Dunckley's letter above is one example.”
by Einon
Sunday, July 15 2012, 5:40PM
“Here's the link too -
http://tinyurl.com/cam4et6
Quote off the site;-
"THE PERIOD FOR SUBMITTING SITES ENDED ON 31ST MARCH 2011. THE CONSULTATION PERIOD FOR SUBMITTING COMMENTS ON THE CANDIDATE SITES CLOSED ON 30TH SEPTEMBER 2011"
So as far as i can see Jim Dunkley is right.”
by Einon
Sunday, July 15 2012, 5:37PM
“Well i've taken a look at the Swansea ldp page and the two sites mentioned above are for residential housing and cemetery use. No mention of gypsy sites. It does say though that the window for putting forward sites has now closed.
So I think gwyddno should tell us if he/she knows something we don't...”
by Gwyddno
Saturday, July 14 2012, 10:38PM
“Report leaked in April 2012:-
'The five shortlisted locations are: Heol Y Myndd in Gorseinon; the former greyhound stadium, in the Cockett ward; Milford Way, Penderry; land at the eastern gateway to Swansea Vale, Llansamlet; and land at the rear of Parc Melin Mynach in Gorseinon.' - C&P'd from an EP article.
Go on Mr. Dunckley, explain the above.
The Council is at stage 2 of an 8 stage process but, Mr. Dunckley writes as if the LDP for 2015-2020 has been finalised.
Go on Mr. Dunckley, explain.”