Strike warning as Neath Port Talbot Council looks to save £21m

“@Tellyon - I will. Enjoy your crusade. I'll enjoy the rugby and reality.”

“Ha ha... Sleep tight 'Champ'.
:)”

“@Tellyon - you aren't even true to yourself LOL! Thanks for the attempted humour and ridicule - didn't work sadly. What did work is that you showed you are a first class left wing plonker, who can't argue or admit defeat.

I agree entirely that you have said enough - which unfortunately for you was just a lot of rantings and ravings.

I am in touch with reality and management information and data, so yes I have produced relevant facts unlike yourself.

Think we've both said enough unless you want to say something for the last time again LOL!! Checkmate I believe.”

“CuriousPT (or is it Mork?)

Well I won't make any more arguments I've said enough. If you want to carry on with the view that what I've said is irrelevant or untrue... carry on my friend.

You are obviously in touch with 'special' forces beyond the understanding of most people... but next time the spaceship comes to take you away, don't forget to ask them to explain how an economy bases on low wage workers can provide the economic demand for the growth that we need.

Good luck Mork.

Nanu Nanu !!”

“@Tellyon - one other point - where on earth have I mentioned foodbanks LOL!!! You can't claim I have an opinion on something when I haven't even mentioned it. Just to highlight how daft your comment is, I'd confirm that I do know people use foodbanks LOL!”

“@Tellyon - you're having a laugh. You haven't provided any useful stats and have only supplied irrelevant ones. You haven't indicated how your ideals could work or even whether people want them to. You haven't even been able to contest anything I've said. Thankfully we both agree therefore that its good that you've said all that you are going to say. I trust you stick to that and learn that you need to be realistic when arguing and that you don't make spurious claims. All the best - hope you've learnt from this discussion. I think you've been taught a few lessons!”

“CuriousPT

Your not having a serious discussion.

I did address your points. I have even posted actual statistics throughout my posts. You just assert the same points over and over.

The point I'm making is not about cost as such.... it is about quality of service and if we can afford it. You seem to think that the wealthy are not in fact wealthy. You seem to assert that there is not over £750 billion (F. Times) in corporate reserves or $123 billion in unpaid uncollected tax (PCS - the tax inspectors union website).
You think the wealth of the wealthiest people in the UK couldn't easily cover the defecit - when the figures from the Times show that even the top ten by themselves have more than enough wealth. You seem to think that people are not going to foodbanks when the BBC have been running programs that say they are.
The BBC's own economists have articles on their website right now talking about it.

On the point that you don't see much happening now... well that is more complicated, but I have addressed that too....
But it sounds like nothing will convince you. Perhaps time will tell.



I've said all I need to say.”

“@tellyon - you've brought nothing new to the table with your last set of comments. So you've still not addressed my previous post.

With regards to you not accepting my comments, that is unfortunate as they are factually correct. The cost per hour of social care supplied by the Council is almost double that of the private sector. That is an established fact I'm afraid.”

“CuriousPT

If the mass of people decide democratically to do something then they can do it... your idea that big change can only happen through dictatorship is irresponsible and wrong.

I don't accept your figures on the private sector. I think the problems at the care home in Bristol show what can happen when services are run on a shoe-string for profit.... The problem of low paid workers dominating the economy doesn't help the lack of economic demand.

The masses are not rising up at the moment... true. But not all bellies are full. There has been an explosion in the use of food banks and charities. With 85% of the cuts yet to go and a decade or more of austerity... it is inevitable that there will be social upheaval.

I only hope the left can get its house in order so that peoples frustration can be channeled into constructive change. Otherwise we may see the rise of the far right as we have seen in Greece. If we can't tackle the huge wealth innequality and meet peoples basic needs... an uninformed society can easily descend into scapegoating minorities.

We've been throught his austerity rubbish before in the 1930's. It didn't work then and it won't work now.

There IS huge wealth in society, but many people do not realise this. The figures I gave were correct... it's not hard to find.
Even the big business papers don't deny that... why do you?

Thought for the day:
The three richest people in the world have more personal wealth than the GDP of the 48 poorest nations.”

“@tellyon - I suggested communism not a dictatorship. Of course if you arenh't going to dictate, then you won't get access to the funds you indicate exist.

The care services offered by private companies are almost 50% cheaper. No need to ask Sid, just look at the data.

I'm not seeing the masses rise up to support you long march. Their stomach's are full and there isn't the drive to want to pay more taxes.

You have strong ideas but I see no evidence of reality still. Reality is the world we're in - good and bad.

You didn't prove there was huge wealth in society. That would suggest nobody else knew about it. You have also shown no indication of why people would change so much that this wealth would be distributed. Ideas are great, but on their own they do nothing.”