“Juan Line - I answered steve best I could - have you got anything constructive to input - ANYTHING”

“Juan Line - I answered steve best I could - have you got anything constructive to input - ANYTHING”

“Steve, Swansea.

Why are these internet forums full of comments from obnoxious, right-wing bores such as yourself?

It's a serious question: if you take a look at, for example, a BBC forum on virtually any topic, or any local newspaper site up and down the land, the vast majority of comments come from clowns like you.

Are you all in the pay of the Daily Mail, or what?

You might as well be, for all the 1/2 baked twaddle you spout.

Just one example: it's a typical tabloid press ruse to seek out (and God, I bet they have to look hard) some feckless family or other who live in some "mansion" or other at "our expense".

The real truth is that the vast majority of people on benefits live miserable, constricted lives.

But for some extraordinary reason I never seem to see any stories about these people in the Sun, Mail, Express, Times, Star, Evening Standard etc.

Get real, you fool: can't you see the obvious propaganda here.

And why on earth people think they're so clever by pointing to the "real poverty" of the 3rd World, I don't know. Of course 3rd World poverty is a disgrace etc. etc.

But don't use that fact run away from the disgraceful levels of income inequality (the highest in Europe) and "relative poverty" in the UK.

So, Steve, you claim to know loads of lazy benefit claimants living the life of Reilly, do you? I don't know any.

But I do come across lots of loaded, over-paid, arrogant, lazy wazzocks.

It works both ways. You think Mick is a demented ranter. You're not much better yourself.

I far prefer his partiality to yours.”

“The review which is placed before Swansea Council today is about the effect child poverty has on educational attainment.
Do Steve, Swansea and Linda, Neath have any comments that are related to the actual subject of the report?”

“Steve, Swansea how can you say that we should have higher quality jobs than people in less economically advanced countries ? India and China now lead the world in technology so where are the 'high quality jobs' going to come from? Basically what I am saying is that we need to support ourselves. I agree with you on one point which is many of the lazy in this country are better off that those who actually work. However this is a generalisation that skews the truth as and I think many others would agree that laziness does not always equate to being out of active employment. There are many in paid employment who are far lazier than many people who have no work. The unemployed should get the worst housing ? Should a man who has worked all his life and now finds himself unable to pay his mortgage through being out of work be moved to a slum? Mans inhumanity to man again and again. There is a Cree proverb that many would do well to heed which says simply :-
Not until the last fish is caught,
The last tree has been felled,
The last river poisoned,
Will man realise, that he cannot eat money.
How many banks took their call cetres to India Steve? How do we eat when we have to import all our food ? Is climate change true? If it is why are we using filthy fossil fuels to bring in food from other countries and killing our own planet when it could be grown here. Higher quality jobs Steve - where and what ?”

“Linda, Neath - I don't know why you think we should be competing with India for jobs. The UK is a much more advanced economy than India and we should have much higher quality jobs here.

Yes, some jobs have gone from this country to places like India, but that is generally a good thing, because everyone in this country gets cheaper goods and services. So we all gain.

And it doesn't matter who owns what. Foreigners own some countries that are considered British. But British people also own foreign companies, so it works both ways.

Chinese workers probably wonder why they have to work for $1/day just to make goods for UK and USA consumers who could afford to pay much more.

You are only looking at one side of the story. Try looking things from the perspective of others as well.

I bet you buy goods from China, India, etc. If you want to keep jobs in Britain, then you are free to buy British goods. Of course you will have to pay more for them. But that's what you want isn't it.

So what jobs have India stolen from us?”

“Linda, Neath - I am blaming the system. That's why I made a comment saying I agreed with cutting benefits. That way people will be forced to work.

If I was offered a £5k/month house for free, of course I'd take it. But I don't thik it's fair on all the people who actually work and can't afford that house.

Many of the lazy in this country are better off than some who actually work. If the average working person can't afford to rent a certain house then an unemployed person shouldn't be allowed to live there either. The unemployed should get the worst housing.

Obviously exceptions need to be made for people who are genuinely to ill to work, etc.”

“Steve, Swansea - you said it yourself. Even you would not work if you could get all that money for doing nothing. The system has allowed misuse. Many people who work and find themselves with not enough money at the end of the month to get the shoes the children need gets angry with a system that allows others to do nothing. However if you were in a position that you could get those shoes for your children by claiming money you are told is your entitlement by a government who cannot provide you with a living wage - would you take it ? You admitted you would. This is what has happened, do not blame people for doing the best they can under the circumstances. Blame a system/ successive governments which have allowed foreign countries to undercut our wage structure and take jobs that were here away from us. Most of our utilities are foreign owned and all allowed by Governments who embraced the 'free world market'.We could not afford this loss of jobs as is now plain to see, or this loss of companies whose profits no longer stay within our own shores. So now we have the Prime Minister in India begging for work for people here when those people can get a workforce in their own country who can live on £5 a week. No one can live on that wage here without claiming benefit. So you are back in the same trap, housing benefit, council tax benefit, soul destroying systems that are designed to lower the wage structure here so that this country can compete with India. Do we look forward to that?”

“Ray Welsby, Clase Morriston - the unemployed have fleeced this country of more money than bankers ever could. They do it year in, year out.

Imagine what a great country we's have if the unemployed got off their lazy backsides and actual did some work instead of sponging offf others.

Unemployed people shouldn't get any money after the first few weeks. That would be enough to focus their minds on finding a job. This works in the USA. Almost 100% of unemployed manage to find a job when their benefit gets stops. It's that amazing. It means they reall can find work if they have to.

But in this country they get too much money and can't be bothered to work.

I hope this Lib-Con government cut their benefits further. They get way too much as it is. I know of unemployed people in London that get £5K/month rent paid. Please don't tell me you think that's ok. Even I wouldn't want to work if you gave me a £5k/month house for free.”

“So of you have no idea what poverty actually is. Go to a 3rd world country or even to some poor areas of europel. Many countries don't have unemployment benefit and free housing.

Unemployed people in this country get money to eat, drink, smoke, get cable tv, mobile phones, cars and more. They get a house to live in for free. They get free medical care. They get free education.

If you think that is poverty then you haven't seen real poverty. Get real. Stop ranting. Everyone in this country has enough money for the basics. All unemployed people I know have cable tv and mobile phones. I can't see how you can call that poverty.”