Campaign grows against proposal for five turbines near Port Talbot

“My mistake, I meant trade deficit not financial deficit.
We are enduring the highest unemployment, it's just that the figures don't read as they should because thousands are excluded from the unemployment figures due to 'back to work training schemes' for an extra £10 a week and various other schemes that eliminate claimants from being included in the figures.
We have never 'batted for the same side' as you seem to be pro unreliable wind energy and pro wasting tax payers money, whereas I am total against unreliable wind energy and wasting tax payers money.
I always refer to people who live in the UK as UK citizens, that includes all colours, all religions and all nationalities, i'm glad you gave me the opportunity to clear those issues up, as I wouldn't have wanted readers to think I was uneducated and a racist.”

“NeathPTboy Just read a little more of your post. Don't you know the French will be building any nuclear power stations that may or may not be going up.

BTW You are being to sound like those nasty types who go on about British jobs for British workers. No such thing any more mate, global economy, and free moment of people throughout the EU. With every post your are sounding less and less like a liberal, are u sure me and U are batting for the same side”

“NeathPTboy says

UK has biggest financial deficit in its history.
UK has highest unemployment in history.

Ha ha ha wrong on the first 2. We have had much higher deficit in the past, after WW2 and in the 1800's as well. And of course unemployment was higher in the 80's and 30's. I didn't bother reading the rest of your post i was laughing so much, what an uneducated chat U are, funny”

“@gorseboy, please accept my sincere condolences regarding the leaflet you received through the post this morning, I truly hope you support your local action group and manage to prevent the government from wasting any more of the tax payers money on even more unreliable wind turbines. We've already wasted enough of the tax payers money on the 16(or is it 15) that have been dumped on Mynydd Betws......think what the UK government could have managed if it had spent it by investing in small businesses and the social housing sector.
We will never get out of this financial mess until this money squandering stops.
Good luck to you all up there.”

“OK Neathboy234, i'll start thinking logically so that I can understand the situation a little better.
UK has biggest financial deficit in its history.
UK has highest unemployment in history.
More and more families requiring assistance from food banks and soup kitchens.
UK government wasting money on unreliable wind turbines which does little for the UK jobless figures.
UK government not creating jobs for UK workforce by spending it's money on reliable nuclear power stations for labour in the UK to build.
Conclusion.....when the UK government finally starts investing in jobs for its own workforce we may start to turn the corner and the first green shoots to our long road to financial recovery will appear. We are never going to turn any corners in financial terms whilst wasting our money on unreliable foreign junk.
As hairofthedog says, why don't we start leading the way with hydroelectricity, or would you rather we continued to waste money on unreliable wind turbines simply because you lack belief in British engineering.”

“Neathboy 234, have you actually read any of my comments?

I have only commented on one subject, and in those comments I have stated my support for Green energy.

It is my support for green energy that forces my anti-wind farm opinions, they do not save a gram of Co2, whilst giving the impression they do. We need green energy that delivers.

I would fully support tidal power, hydro power and solar as they all have the potential to generate reliable amounts of energy that would reduce carbon emissions. I would love to see Wales become a world leader in tidal energy, the potential is on our doorstep.

Unfortunately wind power leads the part time eco-warriors who can't think for themselves up the garden path, spoils the countryside and makes pot's of money for a few landowners end energy companies.”

“Had a very fancy brochure through the post today from RWE npower regarding planning for Mynydd y Gwair wind farm.
They reckon 16 turbines will produce 48 megawatts for some 24,700 houses use in a year.
The blurb continues that by 2020 they are on course to get 25% of our power from the wind.Turbines don't need much wind to get started and generate electricity for AT LEAST (my emphasis)80% of the time.
I know we need energy but do we have to spoil the beauty that is Wales? A wind farm in Cardiff bay would have my full support,but the Senedd isn't blowing hot air every day to make it pay.
The land is owned by Somerset Trust so more foreign money into the Duke of Beaufort already overflowing bank account.”

“hairofthedog you say Denmark has more favourable climatic conditions and shallower seas, thus enabling them to produce more wind power.

It is obvious to all that you have a negative attitude on most subjects, especially green energy. You look for a 1000 reasons for not doing something, rather than looking for answers. What you lack is a CAN DO ATTITUDE. I have met many like you in my life time, always giving reasons for not doing something, It;'s too hard/too difficult.

You would seem to be of the same opinion as NeathPTboy in this respect, another who doesn't have that get up and go about him. your not brothers are U, lol lol”

“Neathboy234 please do not try to belittle me, you lose credibility. What you seems to be going over your head is that I am referring to the reliability of wind power. Denmark may well get 30% of its power from wind, but what does it do when that 30% isn't available? Or are you telling me that it is always the perfect conditions for wind turbine operation in Denmark? Perhaps Denmark are storing this power in the batteries you mentioned earlier that haven't been invented yet? Please enlighten me.

One thing I am certain of is that Denmark does not get 30% of its power from Wind, 100% of the time.

As I said earlier, Denmark has the ideal conditions for off shore generation shallow seas, a large coast/area ratio and a very small relative population. I have no idea how windy it is compared to the UK, but it is very exposed to the widest part of the North Sea and the prevailing winds. Don't forget it can be too windy for turbines to operate, as well as not windy enough.

As I have said RELYING on wind power for 3% may be manageable and easily replaced by other sources when wind power is not available, RELYING on wind for 30% of power is not. If it can't be relied on, and needs to be backed up, what's the point in having it?

I'd say if I have been shown to have a lack of basic knowledge, you have been shown to have a lack of understanding.”

“NeathPTboy The UK only has a population density twice that of Denmark. If Denmark can supply 50% of it's needs through wind power than clearly we can supply 25%. Try looking at things logical and you may be able to understand more easily.”