Annoyed by Welsh chat

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Monday, October 15, 2012
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South Wales Evening Post

I HAVE read with interest the correspondence about the use of the Welsh language in this column and would like to comment on a recent experience.

I was in a Llanelli coffee shop enjoying a chat with my bilingual friend when along came one of his acquaintances. They proceeded to speak in Welsh, as though I wasn't there, for about five minutes.

As a non Welsh-speaker, I didn't have a clue what they were talking about and more or less had to sit there twiddling my thumbs while waiting for them to finish.

I must admit to feeling a bit miffed by this!

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In my mind this raised a few questions:

Should I have asked the pair to speak in English at the risk of causing offence?

Am I being too sensitive about being ignored?

Should my friend have excused himself so that he could speak with his friend in Welsh?

Should my friend have shown more sense and spoken in English which all the people involved could understand?

Are there any Welsh speakers out there who might want to comment on this?

G Williams

Cimla Road

Neath

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  • Profile image for abertawejack

    by abertawejack

    Saturday, October 20 2012, 12:33AM

    “Manners maketh MAN....end off.”

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    by maxmin

    Thursday, October 18 2012, 1:36PM

    “Dear Google,

    Yes my wife just has and she thinks it very rude of the persons friend to speak in Welsh. The situation is very simple. Two people are chatting away in a language both understand.

    Another person joins them and starts speaking in a language they know one of them doesn't understand, therefore that person is deliberately excluding the non Welsh speaking person. The Welsh speaking friend who replies does so in Welsh knowing full well that he is deliberately excluding the person he has just been speaking to.

    Forget language for a minute and think of it this way. Two people A and B are chatting away together. A third person C joins them, B & C then turn their backs on A and commence a conversation. Now is there seriously anyone who wouldn't find that extremely rude? Well that is exactly what happened here, but instead of isolating the person by turning their backs they isolated them by speaking in a language they knew was not understood.

    Forget the language and concentrate on the effect of their actions.”

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    by google123

    Tuesday, October 16 2012, 5:52PM

    “"Should I have asked the pair to speak in English at the risk of causing offence?" You could have asked but really, if it was to do with you, they'd have spoken English.

    "Am I being too sensitive about being ignored?" Yes.

    "Should my friend have excused himself so that he could speak with his friend in Welsh?" 'Excused' as in, "I'm going to excuse myself and leave to speak Welsh"? That'd be silly.

    "Should my friend have shown more sense and spoken in English which all the people involved could understand?" 'More sense' implies that speaking Welsh in your midst was senseless... That's quite a pompous remark to make. All the people involved (your friend and his Welsh-speaking friend) could understand English. The difference is that they chose to speak in Welsh. They've probably been doing it for years...

    "Are there any Welsh speakers out there who might want to comment on this?" I just have :)”

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    by Neathboy234

    Tuesday, October 16 2012, 2:08PM

    “maxmin BNP GB is of course a great place to live, that's why so many have moved here in the past 50 years. We have some of the most liberal laws and our record on HR is right up there with the best. our only downside is that we tend to get involved in a few too many war's, but the good news with the armed services being shrunken to the size of a racists brain, even this will soon come to an end. I'm sure u will agree my old mucker”

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    by maxmin

    Tuesday, October 16 2012, 1:54PM

    “But having said that you seem to be following my lead in using abbreviations after my name Neathboy CLM. I don't have to want to put the Great back in Great Britain it's there already. Get someone to read it for you.”

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    by Neathboy234

    Tuesday, October 16 2012, 1:42PM

    “maxmin BNP i wouldn't follow the likes of u for all the money in the world. I don't do sad old men wanting to put the great back into GB.”

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    by maxmin

    Tuesday, October 16 2012, 1:37PM

    “Took the words right out of my keyboard! Neathboy CLM. By the way just copying me all the time does show that at least you are beginning to learn from the master!”

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    by Neathboy234

    Tuesday, October 16 2012, 1:30PM

    “maxmin BNP i'm sure u have got many friends, but none i'd like to meet that's for sure lol”

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    by maxmin

    Tuesday, October 16 2012, 12:28PM

    “Yes Neathboy CLM get someone to explain to you what friends are.”

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    by Neathboy234

    Tuesday, October 16 2012, 10:20AM

    “maxmin You have got friends, know i know u are having a laugh lol lol lol lol lol”

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